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Public has been the one leading our foreign policy to the extent it can. barack obama has wanted to do lots and lots of things, but general public just doesn't want him to do. he got dragged into all this mess with syria because americans were justifiably outraged by the beheadings of americans. i want to make this point about the drone argument a lot of people on the right are making. i think it is a dead end in a lot of ways. the moment barack obama is out of office and a republican gets, in the left will say, droning is bad, too. and they said we have to win afghanistan right up until the p...

Entire area. the danger that i have and again this also goes back to the challenge of short-term accomplishment versus long-term challenge that comes in and the argument of winning hearts and minds. the argument of yens, all the arguments that come into this thing. the biggest challenge we have is dovetailing on this earlier point. how exactly do we justify this? and how do we curtail its use? look what happened after the use of the first atomicç bomb wher then the big question became how do you control who can then have an atomic bomb and who can use it? and so we since we haven't had this ...

The presidency was. >> hold on a second. but you talk about torture. >> right. >> when you talk about torture and you talk about dick cheney, i guess what i find most offensive over the past two, three years -- and the drone argument's a good example -- is how progressives slam george w. bush and dick cheney and talked about the shame of the bush/cheney years while turning a blind eye, for the most part, to the shame of the obama years -- >> not this magazine. not at all. >> -- for following through on most of dick cheney's terror policies. >> not at all. not at all. not at all. i don't know w...