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afghan women today. general mcmaster and i, we know each otherfrom our daysin and i, we know each otherfrom our days in afghanistan, and we haven't always agreed on everything. but i certainly share his sense of disbelief and frustration that the international community has allowed things to reach this point for the afghan people, particularly women and girls. afghan people, particularly women and uirls. ., ., ., ., and girls. you wrote a letter today to afu han and girls. you wrote a letter today to afghan women _ and girls. you wrote a letter today to afghan women and _ and girls. ...

Even this kind of almost comical way of burning things. they used to use straw, and now we wait for smoke that we almost can never decipher, we wait for bells that ring incongruously and yet it adds to the mystique of the event, whether or not you subscribe to the faith is irrelevant. it is such an interesting spectacle that we're sitting here looking at a monitor off camera now and wondering is that smoke? what color is it? >> for all of those assembled in the square, it is not easy telling, if you're standing there, the chimney is not all that visible, it is quite small, it is newly construc...

They used to take wet straw, wet straw would make the smoke dark. dry straw would make it light. that's what we're watching for on smoke watch to recognize the color of the smoke. it has been notoriously difficult because smoke at the end of the day is kind of smoke. and some who watch this have joked around, with all of the advances we've had in pyrotechniques, can't they reach out to the gucci family and get this smoke to burst out in beautiful colors? but that hasn't been done yet. >> we'll be watching for the smoke. hopefully they'll get it right and bells will ring as well. you're on pope...

Welcome to both of you. chris, let me start with you here, as we know these cardinals are in session, walk me through what possibly is happening now behind this locked door, and talk to me about the smoke. >> all right, well, let's start with the smoke. this is part of the tradition that really just harkens back to the timelessness of it. john allen says they just started using the stove in the 20th century. it is one of the things that could be updated but hasn't. we learned about pope benedict's resignation, there were electronic e-mail submissions coming out of the vatican to let us know wh...