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and a moderator. he praised each other and bashed the mainstream media. >> no shortage of hit pieces on you in the press over the last week or two. >> i thinks this is a function of these, the legacy media, these corporate journal -- they're in their little bubble. >> i saw a headline from the atlantic basically claiming that anyone who listens to this space on twitter basically a nazi. howard: but by then they'd lost half their audience, so why did ron desantis roll the dice on twitter not blowing up like a spacex rocket? he's hardly a big fan of the mainstream media and not a great...

Long overdue series of layoffs and closures that have seen the once-mighty laid low. and we're back with ben domenech, at the risk of overexposing him, whose piece is up right now at spectator.com. you start off by writing about kim kardashian's derriere, and i'm not saying that just to get people to keep watching -- [laughter] i would never stoop to such a act tick. but you say that a -- tactic. but you say a decade ago that body part generated 16 million views for patient magazine and what's become of paper magazine? >> they don't exist anymore. and that's what we kind of see when we look ba...