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The ability to structure this case the way they were able to on some due process argument that wasn't clear enough to the defendant what was happening so that's very problematic though. it's not likely to happen nor is the governor likely to pardon, nor should she it would just be a pure political act at this point no mercy. >> yeah. you said that you think some jail time would be good for the former president? there is a kind of conventional wisdom that if he goes to jail, that will rally his voters, it will rally his base. >> do you think that's true? do you think you'll have a firmer argume...