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his strategy, katherine, pretty obvious. get in there and stir the pot. >> exactly. you can see that outsiders are definitely doing a good job right now with carson and trump. they're total outsiders at the same time he has political experience. i don't know if is just me, i feel it is kind of dweebing how hard he is trying to look like a bad boy a little bit. bill: i tell you what, kid, i hadn't heard dweeb in a long time. >> bad boys don't have to repeat how often they're bad boys. bill: good point. emily, does the strategy work? >> i really respect dweeby. i don't know that the strategy is working. that he would be appealing as outsider he would own the anti-establishment piece but that is just not where the gop primary voters are right now. they are more anti-establishment than where he is. he keeps trying to remind everyone.