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committee? you know in the next few weeks you'll hear the public hearings of the committee. i'm surprised that he's not a part of that, but that tells me they actually wanted to get answers and not have the greatest show on earth that would happen in front fortof th cameras. the fact that he entered into a subpoena, answered it and answered questions. he is a person that was actively trying to ask legislators to overturn an election, to overturn the will of the people. so they have rudy giuliani testify for a nine-hour period? i bet they have a lot of information from him. >> i'm sur...

Ended up at the landscaping -- that shows you how odd this was. you had the guy with dye streaking down his face. there he is right there. given all this, do you think he's a useful witness? >> i think he's going to be a defendant at some point, don, but he obviously is a potentially great witness. he knows pretty much the whole picture from the start to the finish as was mentioned, he's probably the architect of at least a phase of it with other people chipping in and giving their two cents about how they could pull this amazing fraud they were undertaking off. >> listen, you've been here bef...