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Absolutely right. you've got to be able to check by having information. when ms. ma makes the legitimate point that other white houses have behaved similarly, then extend the analogy all the way. this white house has not acted the way other white houses have acted. therefore, there is a suspicion that has been created. why? because there's a network of lies. there's a web that's been spun by this white house from the very beginning at every level. so i think it's only right that the congress that is impaneled now has a responsibility to make sure that what is going on is clear, fair, and reaso...

Guests. michael eric dys dyson, ying mo. do you believe the white house should be complying with what the oversight committee is asking for? >> the white house has every right to negotiate how it wishes to cooperate with the committee. as the white house counsel said in his letter, congress cannot simply demand anything and everything. there has to be some sort of relationship to how the information it seeks is going to actually help its legislative task. and according to the white house, congress has actually not made that clear to this white house. and so the white house has every right to p...

This really something for the oversight committee to do, particularly the way they've asked for it. the white house didn't say they won't cooperate. they just object to the inprodui intrusive way. >> dyson, make the argument about why this is oversight. >> it's oversight. that's their purpose and their realistic goal. if lawyers agreed on everything, there would not be a counter argument. so-t to say it's a matter of case law is one thing. to stipulate the truth is not to make the other. mr. mcgahn wrote a memo to say i don't want any part of this. mr. kelly said the same thing. for they don't...

Catherine bigelot brings to pulse pounding life in her feature "detroit." joining me now is a native of detroit, the one and only dr. michael eric dyson, he is a professor at georgetown university and author of the book "hears we cannot stop, a sermon to white america." thank you for being with me, dr. dys dyson. >> thank you. >> when i watched this the other night i hosted one of the screenings i thought of you because you are from detroit. >> right. >> you more than anyone in academia have interpreted this problem of policing today. looking back 50 years when you were a kid, i was a kid. >> ...

Dys dyson, i'm going to get a chiropractor. i'm not going to go see a dentist. when you bring in a bankruptcy lawyer, that means from the word go, that's your intention. we believe that detroit should not have gone into bankruptcy, and detroit did not file for bankruptcy. the governor of the state of michigan, through the emergency manager, filed for bankruptcy. we believe they could have followed a new york model, done in 1975, with the then unions, labor folk, the business people. they brought everybody to the table. they talked about the issues of new york city. the governor provided 2.3 lo...