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If you asked voters what they understood, you can even see it. you probably can't see any of the other words on my word cloud, but e-mails were huge. if you go to donald trump and you asked what do you know about donald trump, there were a whole bunch of different things, debate, women, immigration, et cetera. e-mails was it. it was the story. >> it wasn't just the campaign story. it was 2015 and 2016. this was a year and a half. >> yeah. >> so with the ivanka story we have yet again more confirmation that the press invented a brand-new standard to judge the first woman nominee for president. ...

And the campaign coverage that maybe you didn't see at the time, particularly around the e-mail coverage and the podesta and hacked e-mails. in retrospect, what do you they about the hacked e-mails were covered? >> right. i was on my way to the newsroom. it was december, i was still in the post-election haze, and my colleagues wrote a story how the russians had pulled off the perfect hack. they said part of that was turning the times and every media organization into a de facto instrument of russian intelligence. and it's not that i think we handled it wrongly at the time or shouldn't have cov...

Texas, everyone i knew hated her. there's been a large psych of the hillary hating. i thought one she stepped back we wouldn't see it, but clearly we still are. >> the book is a really interesting book, very well written. you write about some conclusions you come to about the campaign and the campaign coverage that maybe you didn't see at the time, particularly around the e-mail coverage and the podesta and hacked e-mails. in retrospect, what do you they about the hacked e-mails were covered? >> right. i was on my way to the newsroom. it was december, i was still in the post-election haze, and...

"new york times" responded to brock directly calling him an opportunist and a partisan who specializes in personal attacks and his partisanship has led him to lash out at some of our aggressive coverage of important political figures and it's unsurprising that he has now turned personal. he's wrong on all counts. it's weather self-anointed neutral reporters are taking some kind of side in a political campaign, whether there are different rules for clinton scandals or whether, once again, a politician is simply working the rest to distract from his or her own conduct. clinton is said to be furi...

Journalism. it is telling people in power that, you know what? you can get away with this kind of stuff and the media is letting them do it. >> there were a group of people at the irs maybe the white house who sat down together and said okay let's destroy her emails, let's make sure the company that provides the e-mail coverage is brought into the conspiracy as well and let's make sure everybody up and down the line at the irs is in the conspiracy. you really believe that? >> yes, i do. there are red flags every where. would you set up the question after she was asked about temp mams they sudd...