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Texas, everyone i knew hated her. there's been a large psych of the hillary hating. i thought one she stepped back we wouldn't see it, but clearly we still are. >> the book is a really interesting book, very well written. you write about some conclusions you come to about the campaign and the campaign coverage that maybe you didn't see at the time, particularly around the e-mail coverage and the podesta and hacked e-mails. in retrospect, what do you they about the hacked e-mails were covered? >> right. i was on my way to the newsroom. it was december, i was still in the post-election haze, and...

Position of power, isn't running for anything, but republicans are betting big the ghost will serve them well in to 1. amy chozick is joining me. you spent a lot of time with hillary clinton. >> a lot. >> what is your reaction to seeing that story in the a.p. about how -- she's not in public life anymore and they're going to try to run against her in the 2018 miss terms. >> it's unbelievable. they're betting on a pavlovian response of even seeing her face. i write when i first met her when i was 16 growing up in texas, everyone i knew hated her. there's been a large psych of the hillary hating...

About bush 41 that he should die a miserable death when he was in the icu. i think this is a culture of anger. >> who said that? >> it was on twitter. all over twitter. >> i'm sorry, lauren, i can't agree with you. these people are going on fox news and saying that. did you have any liberals going on msnbc and saying we hope -- it's unthinkable. i can't even repeat something like that. that's the kind of false, false equivalents that so many mainstream reporters fall into. which is why we're in the mess we are in today. people won't call out the far right for its extremism. >> the final word i...