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This is hey the e-mail scandal with hillary clinton was all about potential things that could have happened but didn't and this actually did happen. we were actually hacked, the russians have their fingers into the system and they all keep seeming to reach toward trump. this is real. more real than that, can they really empower that notion? >> they need probably a special prosecutor or select committee issuing subpoenas and getting e-mail traces at that level of information but i think you're right. meetings happen all the time and the key thing with michael flynn is he had a meeting and told ...

Car trip. the officer says seems kind of sketchy because it was. the e-mail traces back to a computer at gram's father's home. a fake e-mail created to support the story to police and she lied to friends like jennifer torrin was who clearly shaken after testifying. what was it like to be in that courtroom? >> nerve wracking. >> reporter: gram lied to her own 16-year-old brother. he testify that gram brought him to the cliff to discover johnson's body. the teenage boy sobbed saying she told one lie, was asked to tell the truth. she said it again. she had to keep adding more lies to cover it up....

The very next day police videotape graham again. she went to police because she received an e-mail dated july 10th, three day after her husband's death. the e-mail came from a mysterious friend named tony. it reads "hello, jordan. my name is tony. there is no bother looking for cody anymore. he is gone." the e-mail claims johnson died during that car trip. the office who are saw the e-mail says to graham "seems kind of sketchy" because it was. the e-mail traces back to a computer at graham's father's home. a fake e-mail created to support graham's story to police. she also lied to friends like...

Responsibility. the fact that you a top reporter for the "new york times" doesn't know yet who's in charge, it does make people think, what kind of an operation is this where nobody knows what anybody is doing? >> it's very strange, if you were watching yesterday's testimony, at one point they said -- they said the current irs -- they said we think we know who the manager and the specialists were. then they come back a few minutes later and say, actually, we thought we knew who the person was and we asked them. and we were wrong. and i find it astonishing. you would think it would be evident i...

Witches. mr. miller the acting director was asked who was in charge. instead of saying the way the chain of command works, this person's in charge. he wouldn't be saying they're the bad person. he'd say they had organizational responsibility. the fact that you a top reporter for the "new york times" doesn't know yet who's in charge, it does make people think, what kind of an operation is this where nobody knows what anybody is doing? >> it's very strange, if you were watching yesterday's testimony, at one point they said -- they said the current irs -- they said we think we know who the manage...