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Coal-fired power plants because their emissions will kill us. i don't think she'll do that. >> harris: no humility in their perspective. that is the essence of what is important here. everybody has to take a role in this. everybody, especially when you are spending our money to do it. the biden administration, we touched on areas where they want us to go. the biden administration is pushing a green agenda of its own. epa proposed new rules to require electric vehicles to account for up to 2/3 of all new cars sold by 2032. a new op-ed says quote, government regulation, coercion and restriction ...

Market will naturally go to it. if you want to drive an electric car, live your life. >> harris: i wonder if there is a thirst for the american people to see the federal government do what it reflexively does. it will bail out the e.v. companies and just subsidize the heck out of them and we end up paying for those cars in one way or the other whether we drive them or not. >> sford makes up the lost mone by ranking up the cost of the gasoline cars. >> harris: conservative critics are not letting up on house democratic leader hakeem jeffries over a resurfaced article he wrote in college. he wen...

Nice to have you back here. "new york times" setting the bar pretty high. a revolution in the u.s. auto industry. a moment as significant as the june morning in 1896 when henry ford took his horseless carriage for a test run and changed american life and industry. end quote. will we go there? >> i would not compare this to henry ford at all. that was an act of entrepreneurship driven by demand that people had for a new way to get around. this is a top down approach. i wouldn't use that compareson. it is a reinvention. if you move the economy to 67% new cars e.v., you have to have a whole lot o...

Environmental risks on the other side? >> all the production to get the e.v.s on the road? it's enormous. you are talking about rare earth metals that you have to mine out of the ground, all of which is control by china happening in countries with very few regulations around safety and waste. you are talking about a trillion tons of waste when it comes to the mining that will be required over the next ten years to be able to produce this. when you talk about e.v.s being green, well, maybe when it is on the road driving, but that's not the whole story. we aren't getting the whole story on any p...

None of it. so you are talking about a timeline of 2032 to reinvent not just what you drive but how you power it? you can't do it. >> i think that's nine years away, it's insane. >> such a short amount of time and nobody gets that. you can't do it that quickly unless you change expectations. >> you talked about demand as well. tesla has been cutting prices five times this year to help demand because there has been a little bit of a waning of it. cutting prices gives you an indication of the demand out there. >> dana: people buying them if prices come down? >> we have to wait until we get their...