And trump talks s like a mob chf ordering a hit, he'll say obscure things, do this, find this out for me, and the implication is clear that maybe he's suggesting wrongdoing. but it is not crystal clear. it is not criminal clear in the sense of establishing criminal intent. >> goodness. i mean, you're the lawyer. sounded pretty clear to me. >> well -- >> i don't know the law as well as you. paul callan, thanks so much. good to have you on. >> thank you, jim. a top science adviser to president biden has stepped down after reports that he bullied his staff. eric lander resigned yesterday after ...