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And then there wasn't. >> right. and i think this is, you know, kim jong un trying to, again, show his strength. he's on the world stage, let me prove that, hey, i'm going to work with you guys, i need this help or we're in big trouble, but i'm also going to call mike pence a political dummy, we're going to make threats, and president trump says, no, no, no. you might be denuclearizing, but we're moving on. so it's the brinksmanship on the international stage. we called their bluff -- pete: now here we are, june 12th, a lot that led up to it. we got that handshake. >> we did. we nailed that on...

Happen, but the margin of error here is very small. that's because president trump has to find a way to offer just enough to kim jong un that he's willing to consider delahrizing, giving up his security blanket, but he can't give too much that he's going to further cement kim jong un as the world's most reclusive authoritarian dictator. and that's why this discussion and negotiation is so difficult. i'm optimistic that something good will come out of this, but we really don't know because of just how difficult the task is. so let's just hope that enough happens in terms of dialogue that there'...

Both sides know and the trump team has been reaching out over the past few months to understand exactly what happened in all three cases. in the south africa case, they displantinged their -- dismantled their nuclear weapons, then brought the inspectors in three years later. the other two models are also complicated. this has got very little to do with north korea as such, it's got to do with the process of how you detect, identify, dismantle, in some cases resell or blend uranium. it's quite complicated. and this is what president trump will be looking for on that first day. pete: absolutely,...

>> reporter: the president thinking that this will be the first of a few meetings between the two leaders. of course, it would be the first of many meetings between u.s. and north korean officials. the president telling me in answer to a question i posed to him in a press conference on thursday in the rose garden that he would like to see the normalization of relations between the united states and north korea which, of course, would mean putting a u.s. embassy right in the heart of pyongyang. abby: great reporting on the ground in singapore. thank you, john. pete: yeah. it almost seems like e...

Time. and secretary of state jim baker had to make a really tough decision whether to go for that kind of deal or not. he ultimately went for it, it was a success. all the nuclear missiles were withdrawn from ukraine. so this is one of the models, i think, that both the chinese and north koreans are thinking about. where will these weapons go? as you know, pete, at the moment of maximum danger is when chairman kim tells trump, okay, this is where my weapons are, here's how many. at that moment the u.s. military can strike those weapons and destroy them. pete: sure. >> so the paranoid view of t...