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Colluding to influence a presidential election? have you ever heard of that happening? >> absolutely not. even to the point of things that are much less -- i was involved with the fbi, we worked on an operation even in the case like that when the operation was concluded against the russians, the fbi clearly did not leak a thing, did not say a thing about this. they put it in in the vault. so we're talking about the elections and such an importance, it is clearly something that none of us have ever seen before. even things that are a fraction of this level of importance are held closely to the ...

I was for obama in '08. but i have never lacked respect or admiration for her and for her belief in helping people. that is really all she's been about. you look at her history, you know, yes, is she a wo informnka inform e rch nerd yes, she does not like running for office which should be a thing. so i tell a story about how back in the '90s, young people especially don't know this, she put her neck on the chopping block so that all of us would have universal health care. and oh, my god, she was vilified, attacked, defeated in congress. so we didn't get universal health care. she was told to ...

And personable. not a stiff at all. and i said how come we didn't get to see will guy when you were running? and he goes, i know, i know. >> and there you have it. >> there you have it. it if you want to take my word for it, having been around her a little bit, and even though i haven't voted for her, and even though i have disagreements, her vote on the war, wall street stuff, all that, i got to tell you, her sitting in the oval office, i feel very good about that. i can't see her signing a bill at that desk that hurts children. i can't see her letting anything pass by her that will hurt peop...

Representing. a lot of pressure. >> just for the moment. but now you have the split where white women with a college degree are for the first time in a very, very long time favoring hillary clinton while white noncollege women are still with donald trump. what do you make of that? >> i think what i make of it, the sadness, is that this is how far it takes people to understand the economics of sexism. that's the part that gets me the most. me and my sister of white women, it's like -- because for so long, we have heard things like women care about economic issues, they don't care about abortion...

Case trump should have been make which go is on economics, small businesses, thing like jobs. i think that's what you've tried to do. assess for me how you think the candidate has done this keeping on that message when it comes to trying to sway african-american voters. >> first of all, joy, thanks for having me on. and i want to agree that there will be will history made with latino voters, but people are assuming that because latinos are voting that they're only voting for hillary clinton. but that's not the case. we see significant support among latinos for donald trump. but back to trafric...