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of course he was essential to the coup plot, it was a very supporter of the big lie of the stolen election, but when the january six committee subpoenaed him back last year, steve bannon essentially told him to get lost. i like some of the other trump supporters who were subpoenaed, like john eastman, and jeffrey clark release faced a committee and pleaded the fifth over over again, or white house counsel pat cipollone who negotiated what he would and would not talk about with concerns to privilege. and then again bannon, refused to come he said forget are not coming. so if you're st...

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But what has changed is we now live in a world of what i call echo systems, not ecosystems, but, you know, where people hear the same thing over and over and over, and they go from fox to qanon to oan to facebook, and everybody they know is passing along articles that believe the same thing. and so it becomes possible to live in a world that is a little bit like a middle-aged -- a village in the middle ages where you never encounter anybody with a different idea. you never encounter anybody who says, challenge this idea. and once you're there, you know, that's how the dark ages happened, right...

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All the colors 2 to 1. >> it hasn't really worked and wasn't a very good idea. >> stock this year down 15%. when you look at the stock market this year it's up more than 20%. is this enough to turn it around or have they got more competition? >> you have got to get away from thinking that it's a device. you need to start thinking about echo systems. do you want to be an iso, do you want to be an android, or do you want to be in windows 8 or some version of the windows phone system. because that is the future. those people who have this won't necessarily have an android phone. if they've got an...