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Know who is in there? yesterday, we were talking about who, from his inner circle, has testified in the grand jury, what did they say, and what is the difference between telling the truth and being a co-operator. the differences, if you're going to be charged with something, take somebody from that list we just said. is there a sealed, guilty plea with someone who has testified, pled guilty to something in return for leniency after the fact, who -- i mean, this is what the trump -- this is what the trump inner circle needs to know. is there somebody out there? >> what did mark meadows do? >> t...

And contradicting what was on the tape, it became apparent that he was either a witness or a defendant. now, he had an opportunity to have a co-operator, back before the indictment was filed, that's going to be the time to maximize his valley. but since this time, the government has been able to maintain an indictment with donald trump, and it's riddled with lots of references to other witnesses. so, i think this is an opportunity to get a good deal, diminishes by the, day though i would say as a prosecutor, you can never have too many evidence. if you were to go forward and say, i would like ...

Covered in terms of territory, so they are bringing form to this investigation. >> jen, you see other signs that suggest to you that giuliani is being cooperative. >> the fact he's there at all under a proper agreement means he's been cooperative. they could to subpoena him and drag him into the grand jury, but the fact he's willing to interview in advance of that means he's been cooperative. i don't think that means he will be a co-operator with a cooperation agreement, because i think there has just been too much craziness from him, too many false statements, too much naughtiness, substance ...

So that's kind of the calculus for him. he gets some certainty, he knows he will serve a limited prison term, and he will offer this cooperation. >> and what's next for the criminal investigation in new york, is that so ongoing? >> it's still ongoing but as you probably remember, the previous district attorney, cy vance, had authorized his prosecutors to move forward with an indictment, or seek an indictment for the grand jury against former president. the new district attorney, alvin brad, came in, reviewed the evidence, said he didn't think there was enough there. one of the issues as they d...

All the answers here. everything they want out of this. there would be ways to go to figure this out, and then potentially get more information. we are also learning about a lot of other investigative work that the justices do. they're obtaining the cell phone of john eastman. they're getting to look into the contents of july 12th. we also reported tonight that someone working with jeffrey clark who is helping trump at the justice department that he was searched the same as klukowski, he's become a co-operator. and then there's also the. -- with cassidy hutchinson, the key witness in the commi...