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rules that apply to a courtroom. to me, it's just another indication of him saying, i am above that law. the rules apply to me. our entire judicial system is a fraud. and unfortunately, overtime of repeating and repeating and repeating posting, he repaid them not just a judge endurance courtroom, he's set those kind of things about that case, the january 6th related case in washington, d.c., the federal case, the january 6th case in fulton county, georgia, via mar-a-lago documents case and florida. all of these, are you, know misuse and abuse of a criminal justice system. well, those are criminal. this one, of course, is several. and, again, i think this kind of think repeated over and over and over again, just like his lies about january 6th repeated over and over and over again, eventually people start people even. and the damage that does to our

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how did that happen and how to the unsolved? >> in the limitations that were to be placed on him, that limitations that would be placed on any lawyer given closing arguments, any individual given closing arguments. you have to stick to the fact of the case. that's what donald trump declined his lawyers to do. that's why we didn't think he was going to be given closing arguments today. for the most part he didn't. but in the last minute, after a few of his lawyers got up, one of the lawyers asked if donald trump could speak and i think the judge said yes. i think a judge was inclined to let it go for a few minutes, because, if it's going up on appeal, he wants to let people speak. it is not a jury trial. he is judge and jury. it was wild. it was exactly what you would have expected. it was what we simple, for a bit of an unleashed animal came out. i am a victim, went after the attorney general, said a lot of

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we're going to be talking about all the breaking news this hour and then some. thanks for joining me. i want to tell you the story of two americas. the america donald trump loves and and the america everyone else lives in. >> and trump university, we take success. that's what it's all about. success. it is going to happen to you. >> that was donald trump's page for trump university two decades ago. he marketed his school as a short cut to financial success. you just had to pay him and his instructors first and then you would know everything you needed to make it big. the only problem was it was all a scam. as a result, trump eventually settled a civil fraud case for $25 million. and that case gave us real insight into how donald trump views the average american. >> trump university, a series

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institutions and the entire branch of our government, the judicial branch, i think it is really causing long term damage. >> it is a form of character assassination to for some of the charges. i want to circle back that in a second. but i want to talk about the trial, itself. this is closing argument. day 300 zip in the million dollars being sold here. wow. it was a big number, initially, when it was 2:50, i think. that number went up. can you sort of, for folks trying to understand the layman's terms, how the attorney general got to the number 300 and $70 million? >> let's back up a little bit. it's important. many people probably know, some people may not, there was a summary judgment unless. case that means there is already been a finding affront. donald trump is not looking at coming at the end of this, going down to ten or 20 million, or him finding hayes in effect not liable. he's been found liable on that

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i'm sorry, to protect that courthouse when mr. trump decided to shut up for agreement before the circuit. these are huge expenditures. and every time somebody gets attack, swatted, all that law enforcement have to respond. think about that resources drained and diverting their attention from other important things they should be responded to. so i actually to hold that our supreme court justices who are going to at least be rolling on the 14th amendment, section three disqualification question. they may be ultimately on the immunity question. i hope they're keeping in mind the damage that mr. trump -- and the role on the case is based on the fact and the law and deal hold up predominantly on interpreting the law. but i hope they're paying attention to the efforts he is undertaking to completely, completely undermine our rule of law, our system of how we use the courts and this country,

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elected because you want the publicity. it's a disgrace and they should pay me damages. that's that way it should be happening. >> here is mr. trump's version of justice and america. if you are the victim of a scam, to pet. you still have to pay taxes on the money stolen from you. but of trump commits fraud, forget about paying the penalty. he's the one who deserve damages. and if you dare to try and hold donald trump accountable, than not only are he worthy of his disdain, you are now in the crosshairs. today in court, trump lashed out at the judge overseeing this case. judge arthur engoron. and his six-minute rant, trump said what was happening in the courtroom was a fraud and that judge engoron had his own agenda. trump lashing out and a judge would be bad any day. but today started with that massive county bomb squad

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in new hampshire, go down to south carolina, over 70%. you've got something like that working. there if she wins new hampshire, it is on independent voters and on voters who don't necessarily like donald trump, trump skeptic or hostile voter. it trump can turn around and sent most republicans in south carolina and if we are like donald trump a lot. he can make it a loyalty test. he can say, she got votes from people who don't like me, who aren't republicans, who aren't one of us. you want to stop with, her with the media? i'm sure he'd work that into. or do you want to side with me? that kind of low to this. everything we know about that republican party right, now trump would have utmost case numbers to carry -- >> when you told about republicans not liking donald trump, the few who come out in the blizzard and iowa and caucus for nikki haley or ron desantis. same thing, independents, new

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most serious counts in this case. that number is. 370 million. and a break it down for you. the number, 100 and $68 million is the first. number that's on saved interest for commercial properties. they are saying, if he hadn't submitted fraudulent documents, they questioned a fate of paid more. that number according to the attorney general comes out at 168 million. then the discouragement component -- post office hotel in washington. that is a hotel he famously owned when he was president. we heard a lot about it because there was a lot of whining and dining about it at the other end of pennsylvania avenue. the argument from the attorney general is a lot of fraudulent documents went into getting that loan, the profit should be discouraged. the same goes for another loan, he got for the sale of a golf

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the banks are, but they're not sympathetic. >> that money is not going to the bank, it's going to the state. >> it will go to the taxpayers and general services of new york. and so that was one thing, it's not like, there is no real victim we can feel sorry for here. and the numbers might come down. in fact, it might come down. but i have to say, and i thought a lot about this. i was sitting in court and we were just leaving. everything was wrapping up. and judge and durham, right at the end, and the attorney general head wrapped up their arguments. and judge engoron had one question. he looked at the lawyer for the attorney general and says, how does this case compare to bernie madoff? >> wow! >> and i went, wow. like, the judge has bernie madoff on his mind. and that is the largest ponzi

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closing argument, didn't mean he was stuck with. that we have seen him flip flop on things before. and i think it really did put judge engoron in a dammed if you do dammed if you don't situation. because, of course he wants to quorum in the courtroom. he wants that rose to be followed. and as sue said, that road for closing argument is you are getting the facts and the law. that matters more when there is a jury, because if you have something like what mr. trump said today in front of a jury, you could highly prejudice that case and the jury. so i think he did give mr. trump some leeway because this is a bench trial, because he's not worried about a jury. judge engoron knows what that law is. he knows how to apply it to the fact. and he wasn't really going to be swayed by mr. trump's antics. on the other hand, you know, had gave mr. trump a platform, essentially to just speak to his base, to speak to his voters, and to really flout the

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