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Internet and ways in which you can raise money blew the door off of what was possible. he was sort of playing within -- made a calculus and probably made the right one. in terms of citizens united the thing that's troubling, scenario i spelled out before on the show is -- you know, there is now the -- the hammer that hangs over everyone which is this. you are going to vote against carried interest. we are going to get together and make a super pac and i'm going to spend -- you just walked off to the chairman in the house and go into his office and spend -- we are going to meet and these three ...

Newspaper to take this editorial position which is exactly what "the new york times" does. imagine if the supreme court said to "the new york times" you can't run editorials in the two weeks before because you are spending x dollars on those editorial. >> that's the point. that's the point. let's -- fine. let's rerun the thought experiment. those three, deep in my imaginary equity gentlemen, there was nothing precitizens united stopping them and buying the network and putting them on. they aren't. it is different. that's the point. that's the point that it is different. different than the conv...

Wing. you have heard that. i'm sure you have. >> well, we hear that but, you know, our membership is diverse as the country. >> bill: i agree. i'm a member. but, you know, i have to say i'm growing increasingly suspect of your editorial position. it's not because i'm an idealogue. i was going over some of my back editions of the aarp magazine. let me just read you. so names that you have had on the cover and tell me. you had michelle obama on the cover and that makes sense. robert redford, all right? harrison ford. danny glover. richard gear. bill cosby, ron howard. michael douglas, morgan fre...

Wing. you have heard that. i'm sure you have. >> well, we hear that but, you know, our membership is diverse as the country. >> bill: i agree. i'm a member. but, you know, i have to say i'm growing increasingly suspect of your editorial position. it's not because i'm an idealogue. i was going over some of my back editions of the aarp magazine. let me just read you. so names that you have had on the cover and tell me. you had michelle obama on the cover and that makes sense. robert redford, all right? harrison ford. danny glover. richard gear. bill cosby, ron howard. michael douglas, morgan fre...