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That intention he acted on to the point of clashing, to a degree, that if any other civilian or government official did, that they would be stopped, removed from the motorcade, arrested on the spot. but when the protectee is the danger? >> yes. >> that is the constitutional crisis territory. so, it's a sad day. because whatever goes forward from now, all the options are sad. dealing with this in accountable ways is difficult for the country. ignoring it, as many experts have argued, could be worse. either way, he's been linked to the violence by his own aides. >> violence, again, not violence ...

Either way, he's been linked to the violence by his own. >> violence, again, not violence that got out of hand, the olence that was planned with people who came arm for that purpose. all right, continuing in just a moment with this recap of today's, honestly, a shocking hearing from the january 6th investigation. beyond this light little matter of the president ordering that unarmed crowd be allowed to keep their weapons as they marched on the u.s. capitol, on that minor detail, i think the second major revelation in this pretty shocking hearing today was about what ari was just describing. th...

The six, as you were about to go to the rally on the ellipse. and mr. cipollone said something to you like, make sure the movement to the capitol does not happen. is that correct? >> that's correct. i saw mr. cipollone right before i walked out onto my desk that morning. and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go up to the capital, cassidy, keep in touch with me. we're going to get charges for every crime imaginable, if we make that movement happen. >> and do you remember which crimes mr. cipollone was concerned with? >> in the days leading up to the six, w...

Hutchinson, you also spoke to mr. cipollone on the morning of the six, as you were about to go to the rally on the ellipse. and mr. cipollone said something to you like, make sure the movement to the capitol does not happen. is that correct? >> that's correct. i saw mr. cipollone right before i walked out onto my desk that morning. and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go up to the capital, cassidy, keep in touch with me. we're going to get charges for every crime imaginable, if we make that movement happen. >> and do you remember which crimes mr. cipollo...

Warnings about people being armed. but again, poppy, we talked about this sort of as a nation, over the last couple of weeks, what it takes to win a criminal trial and what it takes to convince the american public that number one someone did something really bad and shouldn't be president again just two different standards. and that's the burden that the justice department or any prosecutor is going to have to hit here. >> it is very true. speaking of convincing a jury and speaking of lawyers, let's talk about white house counsel pat cipollone. earlier this week, we were saying it is pretty im...