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For example, when i testified, i didn't spare anybody including myself. so i think that was missing in the greater picture. although he was a very important witness. he did move the story much further and give us a lot of information. >> anything for the republicans to say, this is a deep state right here, this person hates trump. >> mr. holmes is less known in washington. he's been a career official around the world, and i think the republicans will say, you didn't hear the entire conversation, you think you heard the president, but come on, a cell phone conversation? you could see, again, he...

In fact, it lowers the cost. you build power plants to recycle the heat the way edison did. when edison built his first generating plant in new york, he took the heat and instead of throwing it away, heated nearby buildings. we protect them from competition. they don't have any reason to become more efficient. and it's destroying the american economy. we are so wasteful. >> specifically, i want to stop you there. i can't think of a more important point than the efficiency point, which brings me to the nagging grandmother. if you were to point towards either the system itself or the government'...