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Obama had charisma he may not have had th experience or name recognition did not have a nationa spotlight going up against hillary clinton, but h definitely had the charisma. ron desantis has the nationa spotlight. he has the experience, so to speak. is there a way for him to turn this around? >> oh, absolutely. it's called the electability argument right now, rhonda scent this i only hope is to be able to g to republican donors and primary donors and say, hey, i you don't want another fou years of joe biden, you can' nominate donald trump because, biden right now is defeating trump and the he...

Electability message, and in a recent poll from the wall street journal all that was conducted by trump's own 2016 pollster. it showed trump losing to biden by three points, and it showed desantis winning against biden by three points. so that would be my message to the folks that are endorsing trump. do you want to keep losing? because i certainly don't as a republican . i'm tired of losing and i want to win. and so i think that any other candidate would be better to put up against biden than trump. but you can keep saying that it doesn't make it true. now i know for folks who watch facts is ...

That is often dangerous, but distracted. well i mean, there's so many echoes right of 2015 in all of this right in 2015. there were candidates who tried to attack trump as insufficiently conservative and not there on the policy, and what they found was, at least at that point him not having been president yet, and we're obviously in a very different era now, but a lot of primary voters really didn't care. the electability argument is one i think we're going to hear advanced a lot. the no drama argument. remember jeb bush calling trump the chaos candidate and most republican primary voters said...

Announcement that comes tomorrow in south carolina. there we expect more of the traditional pomp and circumstance from haley as she officially gets into this. but, look, the electability argument is important, but it is in direct contrast with former president donald trump who already has been highlighting some of the, you know, inconsistencies you can say between things that haley said in the past. for example, the idea she at one point said she wouldn't run for president in 2024 if trump himself were also running. now we know that's the exact circumstance that we're in, trump has already hig...

Points, that's a pretty good argument for your electability. you can see in the exit polls favorable view or approve of donald trump's job performance, in 2018 45%, 2020 46%. those aren't great numbers. just 39% in 2022 had a favorable view of trump. it's not so surprising that electability argument may be going against trump at this point. >> president biden has not announced a 2024 campaign, but you learned he's actually already gaining ground with democrats? >> yeah. this is interesting. essentially should joe biden run again, in july it was 40%, then in august 47%. now look at that, 51% of...