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Nevada and he could still be the nominee. how do you look at it? >> i'm skeptical of the second argument, steve, for this reason. joe biden's central argument is electability. to lose three contests and go into south carolina claiming electability doesn't seem like it would work to me. now, a lot of things depends on what happens in iowa. as you and i both know that can transform the whole race as it has done before. coming up with 2019 rapidly coming to a close an update on the status of the president's long promised border wall when "the 11th hour" continues.

Reason. joe biden's central argument is electability. to lose three contests and go into south carolina claiming electability doesn't seem like it would work to me. now, a lot of things depends on what happens in iowa. as you and i both know that can transform the whole race as it has done before. coming up with 2019 rapidly coming to a close an update on the status of the president's long promised border wall when "the 11th hour" continues.

Trouble out there and someone else could very well emerge, win that and roll that into new hampshire and be off and running leaving biden and others in the dust. there's the other theory, hey, joe biden has built-up a really deep and durable support particularly with african-american voters and he could lose iowa, lose new hampshire, maybe even lose nevada and he could still be the nominee. how do you look at it? >> i'm skeptical of the second argument, steve, for this reason. joe biden's central argument is electability. to lose three contests and go into south carolina claiming electability ...

Seriously speaking, there is a hunger to sort of get this on with and figure out who the nominee will be, but that's where the grassroots will have their say. i think they're a little bit tired of this fiction of ele electability. who can win? they're asking who can lead, not who can win. electability doesn't really work, does it? in the end we didn't have presidents dole or mccain or romney. i just end on this. he won the nomination, so somebody who wins the nomination has a thing or two to tell you about organization, about policy, about how to win. so there is an attraction there. and i als...