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And it's -- but, you know, clarence thomas -- paul: that's what i wanted to can about. >> yeah. paul: so clarence thomas was the fifth vote here. now, you'd say clarence thomas, i've looked at his jurisprudence for years, he abhors the use of race as a, in redistricting and anything else. he thinks the constitution is essentially race-neutral. >> right. and that's why he voted -- paul: why did he vote for the liberals -- >> because, again, it's not whether race is a fact or or the factor, he says once you're talking about using race here, he thinks that's just an outdated notion, and that shou...

And it's -- but, you know, clarence thomas -- paul: that's what i wanted to can about. >> yeah. paul: so clarence thomas was the fifth vote here. now, you'd say clarence thomas, i've looked at his jurisprudence for years, he abhors the use of race as a, in redistricting and anything else. he thinks the constitution is essentially race-neutral. >> right. and that's why he voted -- paul: why did he vote for the liberals -- >> because, again, it's not whether race is a fact or or the factor, he says once you're talking about using race here, he thinks that's just an outdated notion, and that shou...