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And we're seeing a new kind of war here, where russia is trying to make -- to create this impression that ukraine is a failed state, that it's government agencies don't work, power grid is faulty. but i think the more disturbing thing about what's happening in ukraine is all of in is kind of a canary in the coal mine that russia can get away with things in ukraine that it can't elsewhere. so it's using urng ukraine as a test lab a training ground to hone weapons it may use against western europe or the united states. >> how much of this reporting gave you a window into you think what the lines...

Illegally vote is the thing you would want to risk getting kicked out of the country for. i think the larger point that can be get lost is the united states government has a white house spokesperson and president were deliberately misleading. they were called out. in november they mischaracterized the report. sean spicer, given that history and knowing it's wrong, again mischaracterized it yesterday. these are great conversations to have. secretaries of state have had conversations for a long time about record keeping. the misallegation, 3 to 5 million. we'll scrutinize it. >> david, quickly, ...

The last minute just before the election experience that chris christie had with president obama, but also the way that he addressed and treated governor romney at that time, right before the election, there was very obviously and very overt bitterness and anger at the highest levels of republican politics, toward chris christie, at that time. is that -- is that permanent? is that part of what's happened here, in terms of him not really seeming to have a friend in the party now? >> it has carried over. i was with a lot of governor romney's donors out in utah a couple weeks ago, and privately, ...

>> why did establishment turn on him as abruptly and as completely as they did. the contrast going back and watching some of that contemporaneous coverage from 2012, i almost can't believe that we're talking about the same guy. why did the establishment turn on him? >> they turned quick, and it happened mostly because of the bridge. and when you saw all the controversy over the bridge in ft. lee, you saw them first look to mitt romney maybe he would get in the race. christie was seen as hobbled. he wasn't recovering. his aids were still under investigation. then the bush factor really has comp...

The contrast, going back and watching some of that contemporaneous coverage from 2012, i almost can't believe that we're talking about the same guy. why did the establishment turn on him? >> they turned quick, and it happened mostly because of the bridge. and when you saw all the controversy over the bridge in ft. lee, you saw them first look to mitt romney, maybe he would get in the race. christie was seen as hobbled. he wasn't recovering. his aids were still under investigation. then, the bush factor really has complicated it for christie, for the past year. bush has remained steady with est...