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For something that the u.s. did to the russians. what happened was the magnitsky act, which was pushed through by bill brouder sanctioning a list of russian officials who were allegedly involved in the death of his lawyer and auditor. this gets at the very heart -- the reason it angered them so much it gets at the very heart of ha the russian elite do, the government elite, nongovernment elite, the gray area in between. they steal money at home, they have to get it out of the country. because if they leave it at home, it eith eel get together by somebody else. and the magnitsky act ends that p...

Of ha the russian elite do, the government elite, nongovernment elite, the gray area in between. they steal money at home, they have to get it out of the country. because if they leave it at home, it eith eel get together by somebody else. and the magnitsky act ends that pipeline. >> and carrot and stick diplomacy, this was a stick designed to hurt russia. last question, having learned all this, what is your view of the likelihood that she was connected to a real kremlin operation here in this meeting? >> i think we still need more facts about that. the one thing i want to add that malcolm and...