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If i was running the democrats and you gave me ellen degeres, i could get her the democrat nomination over hillary because she idea logically fits who they are, funny to watch and so forth. not the same as saying he should be president. the other problem he is difficult to attack. we saw that when rand paul, rick perry, lindsey graham tried it. it backfired. this is very challenging for candidates. >> he didn't talk more about hillary clinton. he talked more about president obama. >> tonight was a lot of, the usual stuff he does. but i think he believes as a lot of people do that we're in a ph...

We are. so, john, you know what, you are a campaign guy. you are advising rick santorum who was on cnn earlier today. you know how challenging is it, for santorum, and anyone, if, if they're running against a donald trump? >> it's challenging for all of them. because if nothing else donald trump is, is entertaining. we like watching him. he makes us laugh. the question is should he be president? if you, i'm a republican consultant. if i was running the democrats and you gave me ellen degeres, i could get her the democrat nomination over hillary because she idea logically fits who they are, fun...