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Tangent and say, you know, this is the issue when, in fact, you know, it's a breakthrough moment. it is almost like a nixon goes to china moment in that many gun owners out there trust trump. trump is going to step up given the fact he is a new yorker and at the end of the day and doesn't have a particular ideological fix toward guns. >> he doesn't have an ideological fix toward anything. >> fair enough. but i think you'll see some gun legislation move that hadn't moved in years. i think you begin to take -- take the eye off the ball and the nature of an incumbency race is the incumbency issue...

And i think if you go on another tangent and say, you know, this is the issue, when, in fact, it's a breakthrough moment -- it's almost like a nixon goes to china moment in that many gun owners out there trust trump, and trump is going to step up, given the fact that he's a new yorker at the end of the day and doesn't have a particular ideological fix toward guns -- >> he doesn't have an ideological fix towards anything. >> fair enough. but i think you're going to see some gun legislation move that hadn't moved in years. i think you begin to take -- a, you take the eye off the ball. and the na...

Congressional record. that did seem to me like a majority that was prepared to start engaging in sustained oversight. >> that's a good point. you had to follow closely. member by member they were building what sounded like an opening argument in an impeachment proceeding on each issue, each sign that mueller cited as possible obstruction of justice and the standard for it. susan page, one thing that got buried in this is bob mueller saying in no uncertain terms that russia is interfering in u.s. democracy today and will do so in 2020. there's no outrage today. the president is not talking abou...

White house correspondent for "the new york times" peter baker and at the table editor in chief lydia is back. peter baker, you've written some of the most searing, some of the most eloquent, some of the most completely and depressing pieces on the front page of the "new york times" about donald trump's week-long, it's more than a dallion's love affair, full-throated enthusiastic embrace of his re-election strategy which is to fan the flames of racial strife in this country. where are we at this hour? are we now disavowing the half-assed disavowal from yesterday? is that right? >> well, i thin...

Campaign, there was a circus and a lot of people running. the best candidate rose to the top and took on eloquent and, with twice as much money, and ended up being the strong scan it. i don't know why they are fair competition. >> charles: the ncaa can make it work, maybe the dnc could make it work. [i think it's a mistake to start excluding people in arbitrary things, especially when -- >> julie: it's very early and that's good point. remember, the primary debates, or just the debates for the past presidential election, do you remember they broke them up? even then, it was much closer to the ...