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President in north carolina is also with us. mike, i had ron klain on my podcast earlier this week and he admitted breaking through on any message that isn't ukraine is very difficult right now. and if you do break through on ukraine and it's all you can talk about is inflation or you're not going to get anybody to listen. >> yeah, that's right, chuck, but it's interesting to look at what we're starting to see in terms of the white house schedule. ukraine has not just been occupying the president's time and attention primarily behind the scenes over the last two months, it's also been really t...

Did biden make the case tonight that he is the best candidate to do that? >> i think that he had a very strong night. this is definitely he was in his element. he is much better in this format than he is in the format -- the debate format, i would say. he seemed very comfortable. he seems like he was connecting with the people he was talking to. the empathy factor was huge. it was throughout the entire night actually at different points, not just when he was talking about his own personal tragedy, but when he was talking about even, you know, health care and why he supports having a tax credit...

Debate format, i would say. he seemed very comfortable. he seems like he was connecting with the people he was talking to. the empathy factor was huge. it was throughout the entire night actually at different points, not just when he was talking about his own personal tragedy, but when he was talking about even, you know, health care and why he supports having a tax credit for people who stay home and take care of their loved ones and how important that is to be with people you care about and take care of them in a way that another person just can't do, that a person that you would pay to do t...

I'm not going to have time to go play golf. he played more golf last year than tiger woods. but if i were in the white house, i don't think i'd ever see turnberry again. i don't think i'd see doral again. i'm not going to be playing much golf, believe me, if i win this, i'm not going to be playing much golf. >> here with me, julie pace, phil mattingly, vivian solano. there's clearly hypocrisy of the obama reference, which we could just set that aside in the sense that there are a lot of things this president said as a candidate, especially about obama, that we can attribute if you want to just...

Help one another. our unity, what unites us rather than what divides us. i think it has been a time of healing through tremendous tragedy, people have said we have so much more in common than what the mainstream media would tell us that divides us, i think that's really important. >> jesse: it is important. the press seems focused on the empathy factor, juan. i don't know how they get this information, they believe that the president doesn't care and he lacks empathy toward the actual victims. back up to the election. t i think hillary clinton was the robot that couldn't connect and couldn't s...