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Is anyone at the irs really being held accountable? forbes media chairman and editor-in-chief steve forbes joins us. >> good to see you, greta. >> greta: how do we make sure we have real action to clean things up? >> i think ultimately the only way, yes, you'll have more congressional investigations, which have been very educational, but ultimately i think we need a special prosecutor, who has subpoena powers, the powers to call grand juries, who can do a systemic investigation, who can start from people right on the ground and go up the chain, right into the white house. we had an irs commiss...

We have to have that kind of special prosecutor today. >> greta: if it furnishe turns t the president had nothing to do with this, no knowledge, totally confined within the irs, does he still have responsibility being the head of the country? >> absolutely. he set the tone for it back in 2010, when he pointed out these organizations, sometimes by name, hinting that they're controlled by foreign entities. then you have eight to ten senators sending letters to the irs, demanding investigations, threatening the irs that they didn't investigate. the irs going to respond and it did. it played polit...

The first stage is based on the facts we have now to determine who can no longer hold a position of trust within the irs. the second stage, which i know is where you're going, is to determine whether there was any underlying malfeasance or issues that would warrant dismissal. we'll follow the facts where they take us. we do not have that completed review -- >> if you don't know there's underlying malfeasance, why was somebody asked to resign? >> because it was determined they could no longer hold a position of public trust because of failures of oversight. >> so they were asked to resign just ...

Attorney general, what will that -- why are you so much opposed to that? let's carve out this situation with james rosen. why don't you want him to be attorney general? >> i think he has a credibility problem. before i even got to congress, the congress voted to hold him in contempt for his stonewalling with fast and furious. you had about 20 democrats who supported holding holder in contempt. it wasn't as if it was a purely partisan thing. then with all his testimony in front of our committee about the ap, he was never forthright about his role in that. he said he recused himself, but never c...

>> i think it's deeper and deeper. when you learn the irs commissioner visit the white house 157 times, more than the secretary-general, the secretary of state, combined, and you have to ask the question, what were they going there for? now apparently there's several employees saying flatly, olook, i got my orders directly from washington. they've named a person. i'm sure that person is now going to be brought in and deposed under oath. that person will be asked who where are you reporting to? if you remember how watergate unfolded, it's just week after week after week. and the trail gets bigg...