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Of the mueller investigation, but the southern district of new york and the u.s. department of justice is now on the record saying the president directed a felony to be committed that was material to his own election. and there's a guy who said it, and now there's a news organization that says they helped him do it. that's the prima fasha of illegality? >> yeah, and you haven't yet put the president's name on the block yet, and there's a question whether you can do that or not. i think all of this is happening in coordination with mueller's investigation, and i get it. that's unsatisfactory to...

An irs rule, dark money groups going back to a status quo before, before the irs can peer into that donor list. there's another campaign finance story in the news, the got to chart a little different path if they want to survive in 2020. >> you mentioned that campaign finance vote that has to do with an irs rule, dark money groups going back to a status quo before, before the irs can peer into that donor list. there's another campaign finance story in the news, the president's lawyer is going to go to prison for violating the law. how significant is that? >> listen, mueller is starting to show...

Felt it was my duty to cover up his dirty deeds rather than listen to my own inner voice and my moral compass. my weakness can be characterized as a blind loyalty to donald trump, and i was weak for not having the strength to question and to refuse his demands. lanny davis, who calls himself an adviser to cohen, told nbc news that trump's longtime lawyer still has a lot more to say, adding that, quote, chapter two begins today. at some point, probably the end of chapter two, michael cohen testifying publicly after robert mueller has completed his report in front of some congressional committee...

Two, you know, in the criminal information that michael cohen has already pled guilty to that we've talked about here on this show before, we've all talked about at length at this point, and also in subsequent filings, we now know that there was definitely a back and forth with the trump organization. and that's something that's very much within the southern district's purview. the company is based here in new york. >> final question on that. it's like this -- i don't know if i'm reading too much, but sdny seems to be going hard. like the adjectives they use in their filings, the way they talk...

Much deeper, and await the filing of the mueller report. but then build upon whatever is in there or not in there and try to then establish just how deep the complicity goes within the realm of the trump organization. >> i wanted to get your reaction to what some of the republicans have been saying on capitol hill. this is orrin hatch. orrin hatch, who has had a long and colorful career in the united states senate. he's a sort of elder statesman in many regards, at least in terms of his tenure. and this is what he had to say today about this news. take a listen. >> is he concerned about what t...