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The economy and that could lead to complacency amongst people. i don't know if that's the strategy but there is a real push on donald trump and it comes partly from his own visceral feelings about mexico and you hear it time and again with this ridiculous claim that he has to build luxurious hotels for these kids on the border as well but it's also a strategy to make sure people are still fired up. to make sure his base is fighting. he likes a fight. he likes to have an enemy. he likes to be angry and that's how he wants his supporters. he wants them in red meat mode and this gives it to them....

Somebody in the middle of fifth avenue as he brags about and will his supporters blindly say they deserved it or it's fake news? >> you know, it's starting to look like when he made that comment during the course of the campaign he really did understand the power of hanging on to his base and how much loyalty there was and we see this with populist leaders around the world, they demand and get a huge amount of loyalty, to the extent that push legal bounds far beyond the norms. but i think trump is doing something else here which is deliberately reminding his base to be angry. he won by stoking...

This is the question we ask. do you want to stand by silently or even shill for this president as some of you have. but to your point, though, consider this. reporters at president trump's wednesday night minnesota rally spoke with some of his supporters about the controversy and ben jacobs wrote he got a range of responses about child separations about trump supporters in duluth. quote, some say it's terrible, some say it's fake news, all agree, though, that it isn't trump's fault. so the messaging and some of the lying is penetrating the base and they are refusing to see that the president h...

Want to get back to the politics of this. you have donald trump who as katty said, he's trying to energize the base, keep turnout up. when you see the blue wave coming, you see the emt theic base fired up, how do you counter that? you get your oin base fired up. on the other hand there's something joe pointed to. have you gone too far to the point where you've alienated enough moderate mainstream suburban voters in the kind of districts that are vulnerable that democrats have a chance to take back. have you done so much damage with these images? . it seems that's the competing political calcul...

Week, this is the one wedge issue that works for them right now so in a midterm election that's all about turning out your base voters, there's a really cynical play going on here, not so much the pictures of weeping children being ripped away from their parent but i think turning the story into a general conversation around immigration, you notice trump isn't backing away from that, he's doubling down on it and he sees political advantage for him in doing so. >> and, in fact, mika that rally -- go ahead, joe. >> i was just going to say, he's jumped the shark, though. he sees everyday he told ...