So? >> well, as i've said recently, think that the leaders of some of the big tech companies in this country -- that the president does need to call them in and have a heart-to-heart talk about the security of this country and the new encryption devices being developed, and so on, and the unwillingness to provide the government with access to that. i think this is a -- i think this is a real concern. >> do you think when the president first referred to isis as the jv league, it set the tone and delayed the severe response and it's too late now? >> well, i don't know if it's too late but i do t...