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To go, there really is no narrative for us that looks like success in the eyes of the rest of the world unless gadhafi does go. and what i see if you end up with a stalemate, you have other states that will begin dealing with gadhafi. brazil, india, turkey. all of these countries could very easily begin dealing with him economically with a stalemate in place. so i think that would look like a real loss for the united states and we need to be careful, we need to define what end state we need to go, it looks to look principled and about supporting the aspirations of the people of libya. but in m...

The sense of urgency. >> so you think it was more fear of mission creep? >> maybe not so much a fear as just when you resort to military force under any circumstances, once the shooting starts, then things have a way of happening and are very difficult to predict in advance. we have on going engagements as you're well aware in iraq and afghanistan. and a host of other things going on in the world. and so one of the major issues is how many of these things -- is it realistically possible to pick up? what's the urgency of this? and then as general myers stated, where are we going to go? how do y...

Pretty rapidly shrinking the area that the opposition forces control. and with the threats that were emanating from gadhafi's lips in the last couple days, adding fuel to that fire. so i think stopping that, preventing that a tragedy seems to me is the first order of business. now the challenge is if you can stop them, then how do you get to the desired end state? at least as it's been annunciated to date and that is get rid of him. i don't know how you connect the dots. that is the political challenge. that's what the diplomats have to do. >> sure, absolutely. you can do the mill tees piece. ...

That one. >> jamie: i can't see him backing down. >> he fights to the bitter end. and if he is defeated, he'll go underground, the same way saddam hussein went under ground and the taliban went underground. in that part of the world peace is not an end state. it is the pause between fighting. >> steve: k. t. mcfarland, thank you very much. great perspective. have a great day. >> eric: the u.s. military flew from the heart of our country, missouri, all the way to libya to drop bombs and only 48 hours into this the arab league which -- they are saying now enough. claiming the operation has alrea...

Of exceptionalism, we're not the last word. most americans do think we're exceptional. we've operated traditionally, historically and exceptionally from a position of strength. i think the concern is we're compromising our role and in that profile, particularly in the eyes of weaker nations who have always relied on us to be the big dog and to be someone they can count on. >> we have a situation with foes, as i said, that we're not being listened to. secretary clinton said we tried our best and now we have need unity to begin to act. >> obama has a great presence, is pretty good at an engageme...