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Those models systematically are not working, you can take down the endangerment finding, and that would be the basis for all those policies that came out of the obama administration. mark: which would mean you don't get to regulate -- >> absolutely. mark: -- carbon dioxide. >> absolutely, the endangerment finding is the heart of the matter. to give you an idea how gung ho the obama administration was on this issue. if you listen to his first inaugural speech, january 20, 2009, it's second substantive paragraph of the speech is about global warming, after health care. 90 days after he finished ...

Causation, but gee -- mark: but i want to ask you about causation. >> sure. mark: have you 31 governments. >> the 31 different models. >> 31 different models. multiple governments. >> right. mark: fudging the numbers? >> not fudging them parameterizing. mark: you used the word fudging. does our epa do that? does nasa do that? who does that for us? >> good question, mark, because the epa was told by the supreme court in 2007 that if it found the carbon dioxide endangered human health and welfare, that it had the power to regulate it under the clean air act. mark: this is the massachusetts. >> t...

Those models systematically are not working, you can take down the endangerment finding, and that would be the basis for all those policies that came out of the obama administration. mark: which would mean you don't get to regulate -- >> absolutely. mark: -- carbon dioxide. >> absolutely, the endangerment finding is the heart of the matter. to give you an idea how gung ho the obama administration was on this issue. if you listen to his first inaugural speech, january 20, 2009, it's second substantive paragraph of the speech is about global warming, after health care. 90 days after he finished ...

>> time will tell. i get a sense that wheeler will be taking slightly less what most people in the united states would consider radical positions. the skepticism about climate change or suggesting that the endangerment finding that was essential to the epa, regulating carbon dioxide, those proposals will be less than front and center, but at the same time he's going to definitely continue the effort to roll back the obama era regulations that the republicans consider excessive. so i think that what we're going to see is fewer fireworks, fewer kind of partisan ideological fights, but more focus...

Went far beyond being a regulatory group. i want to ask about scott pruitt, the new head of the epa. he did something that has some conservatives unhappy, he basically argued against overturning the 2009 endangerment finding. what is that and what you think about it? >> first of all, the person who is in charge of the epa come at that time, lisa jackson. she did the endangerment finding right before i left for copenhagen to make sure they knew that our administration was lying to them. right before he left, i said kim i have the feeling once i leave town, you will have an endangerment filing. ...