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Causation, but gee -- mark: but i want to ask you about causation. >> sure. mark: have you 31 governments. >> the 31 different models. >> 31 different models. multiple governments. >> right. mark: fudging the numbers? >> not fudging them parameterizing. mark: you used the word fudging. does our epa do that? does nasa do that? who does that for us? >> good question, mark, because the epa was told by the supreme court in 2007 that if it found the carbon dioxide endangered human health and welfare, that it had the power to regulate it under the clean air act. mark: this is the massachusetts. >> t...

Causation, but gee -- mark: but i want to ask you about causation. >> sure. mark: have you 31 governments. >> the 31 different models. >> 31 different models. multiple governments. >> right. mark: fudging the numbers? >> not fudging them parameterizing. mark: you used the word fudging. does our epa do that? does nasa do that? who does that for us? >> good question, mark, because the epa was told by the supreme court in 2007 that if it found the carbon dioxide endangered human health and welfare, that it had the power to regulate it under the clean air act. mark: this is the massachusetts. >> t...

Sensitive, and so that's why when you get to the late 20th century, all of a sudden they're warming up like crazy and the reality is down here. it was guaranteed to happen. this was revealed in science magazine in late 2016, and there was a paper published by a french climate modeler called the art and science of climate model tuning. and in it, he speaks of parameterizing. we could say fudging, the models to give, his words, an anticipated acceptable range of results. so it's the scientist, not the science that's determining how much it's going to warm. lot of people don't know this, but it h...

We made the models too sensitive, and so that's why when you get to the late 20th century, all of a sudden they're warming up like crazy and the reality is down here. it was guaranteed to happen. this was revealed in science magazine in late 2016, and there was a paper published by a french climate modeler called the art and science of climate model tuning. and in it, he speaks of parameterizing. we could say fudging, the models to give, his words, an anticipated acceptable range of results. so it's the scientist, not the science that's determining how much it's going to warm. lot of people do...