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Campuses that are acceptable, that have to be sort of holistic and not mechanical and put too much on the thumb that might score. >> tom, you have been in the justice department. what does it say to you when you look at charlie's reporting that this is run out of the civil rights front office and not the other office he is talking about. >> it tells me a new sheriff in town. it should not surprise anyone that the civil rights division both we're seeing under president trump has been one of the areas of the justice department that for better or for worse has been politicized and what we're seei...

Here and in some cases, know no other language. >> i don't know if senator collins had all the facts that were just articulated that, in fact, this individual had status, had left the country, perhaps without following the process torque get permission in advance. that's not unique to dreamers. that's true for any lawful per permanent resident. i don't think it represents any change in policy or the expressions that the president has made or secretary kelly about dreamers or daca participants not being an enforcement priority. what they have never said is when we encounter somebody in the cour...

Who chooses not pay your taxes, we're going to ignore you. that's what obama said. that's what has changed now. we've gone back to normal enforcement. >> jesse: and normal enforcement is enforcing the law of the land, aly. if some one isn't paying taxes or some one is living in a trap house, or some one is just drinking and driving, moving violations to get caught up with some small beef like that, they have to face the sequences. that's not draconian, right? >> we are completely in support of smart law endorsement, smart prioritization of valuable resources. those valuable law enforcement res...

Date for months or years down the road and they will forget about you. jon: he says because of the 11 million illegal immigrants in the u.s. the fed deported just 70,000, from inside the interior of the u.s. fewer than 1%. the administration claims deportations are down because fewer people being apprehended at the border and a more refined enforcement priority but others attribute the decline to the 2012 obama decision to use prosecutorial discretion, blanket amnesty to any and all illegal immigrants but the most serious, multiple felony. the administration promised to round up a few hundred ...

This country why would it be stopped through the courts? >> well, thanks, thomas. and as you said, this is a deeply disappointing decision from the 5th circuit court of appeals which ignores decades of legal precedent and leaves millions of american families in limbo. it is something that the dissenting opinion was very clear in saying that the actions taken by president obama not only have legal precedent but they're the quintessential use of discretion and who's an enforcement priority and who should come forward and receive a reprieve of deportation and the ability to work on the books and ...