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Actually stem the flow and have a more orderly, controlled situation at our border. but, again, it remains to be seen if the travel government's going to follow through. we're trying to do as much as we cannot only on the enforcement side, but also on the legal side having everybody involved with the situation, try to do as much as they can with the resources and the authority they have within the state. neil: you know, lieutenant, we are getting some sporadic details of what the administration is planning on doing once 42 goes away on the 21st. among them is aiming a program at those who migh...

Cities, with local police departments, when we had people who were repeat offenders, we worked with them to bring the cases federally, the sentences were stiffer, there was no parole available and sent to a federal prison far from their home in new jersey, i would tell you that would reduce violent criminals in tears, they would turn on other violence criminals and turn there are people in, we turned camden. >> by reducing now 70% murder rate in camden, they could sent worst offenders federally to make sure they get stiff sentences. trey: that is the enforcement side, reality is most women and...

Robberies. they don't stop at robberies. criminals don't stop at a certain level and what's really disturb something a bigger spike in robberies, various forms of armed assault or unarmed assault. those are the criminals rise you see shootings follow that. for anyone who thinks if we get shootings down, we have antigun unit or antigang unit that will only do the job, it's not. you have to stop people in the midlevel crimes. the lower level crimes. bring back the broken windows theory. get back to street policing. if you don't, you're going to fail. people pay the price. griff: let's talk about...

Education, but i'm challenging you on the question of time. we are running out of time. omicron coming, winter coming. we've got to do something more now. >> governor hutchinson, final thought from you. >> just a quick point, and that's first of all, we should not even think about shutdowns. the businesses should not have that fear. they shouldn't have the choice of being shut down or requiring a vaccine for their employees. but secondly, it's the enforcement side. if you do not have an enforcement mechanism, then it brings disrespect for the law and it brings unfairness as to who complies and...

Arkansas 50% of folks fully vaccinated, that runs the huge risk of covid reasserting of hundreds or thousands of people losing their lives particularly our seniors. i hear you on the power of education but i'm challenging you on the question of time. we are running out of time. omicron coming, winter coming. we've got to do something more now. >> governor hutchinson, final thought from you? >> just a quick point and that's first of all, we should not even think about shutdowns. the businesses should not have that fear. they shouldn't have the choice of being shut down or requiring a vaccine fo...