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Corrupt leadership. this is the corrupt leadership that took us through 9/11, the quote, unquote, corrupt leadership that caught spies and helps us capture terrorists every day. if there's a terrorist attack tomorrow, they will all be leaning on those same fbi officers and trying to use them to protect this nation. this is a disgusting disgrace that donald trump would allow this to happen. but he's engineering it. >> two ways to look at this. so clint watts, one of them is the idea that this is an attempt to silence anyone else in the fbi to have a chilling effect on even the idea of investiga...

It's not. i want to say something about the obama administration that you started talking about. let's put it this way. obviously it has to be on the side of the people, no question about that when it comes to democracy, freedom, we have to be on the right side and the president is saying the right thing on that. we cannot make this about america. this isn't about america. you know, the bush administration tried. it failed. tunisia worked. it wasn't about america. we can't be -- we think when we asked what should the president do, well, i'm sorry. we're not going to decide who the next preside...

We can't be -- we think when we asked what should the president do, well, i'm sorry. we're not going to decide who the next will be. it's out of our control. even if we try, we don't do it. we haven't been good at engineering it. let's keep our perspective. >> the u.s. has a limited capability in affecting the street in egypt, i think it's fair to say. if you were advising a president as vice president bush but you were advising president obama right now what would you tell him, fran? >> well, it is true this is about the people of egypt. this is not about the united states. let's remember, we...