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>> but -- but you and i have spoken on the phone, professor, and i know -- >> yes. >> -- you're concerned about the whole structural quality of this rig that is out there right now. tell me what your worst-case fears are? >> well, let me explain for your listeners that a well is actually sort of a very fragile system in which the pipe goes through the rock and quite complex. and my concern, my fear, is that the integrity of that well has, in fact, been compromised by the blowout and by other activities. my worst fear is that the oil will find its way through the rock to the seabed rather than ...

Basic reason, which is that president obama right from the start said to the private industry, look, don't go after us on this. i'm not going to go after you. you don't go after us. >> he said, i would deliver a very large customer base for you, who would be insured largely with federal dollars. >> i don't think his idea was to bring business to him, but to avoid a massive lobbying onslot. without a deeper change of the health delivery system which we never discussed really in the past year, we're not going to get the costs in a meaningful way under control. >> what's wrong with the current he...

That president obama right from the start said to the private industry, look, don't go after us on this. i'm going to go after you. you don't go after us. >> he said, i would deliver a very large customer base for you, who would be insured largely with federal dollars. >> it was to avoid a massive lobby and onslaugt. without a deeper change of the health delivery system which we never discussed really in the past year, we're not going to get the costs in a meaningful way under control. >> what's wrong with the current health insurance discussion, you can hear it when we try to grapple with it ...