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Polls. and so there's a lot of media appetite, i think, for carson to hit back whereas what's interesting about carson's strategy overall is that it's premised on not hitting back at all. and sort of being low key, gracious, conversation, relaxed and not sort of getting into trump's game. so that's -- on a strategic level, i think that's what people are going to be looking for and what will be interesting to watch. this sort of clash of styles. in terms of substance, i wouldn't expect a lot of real staps fr substance from carson. he's doing well without delivering it to date. i think that will...

Republican nominee and not be president. all the speculation about donald trump and michele bachmann and sarah palin, what it does is freeze the race, makes it harder for people like mitt romney and pawlenty to make traction. we're still in the entertainment phase because not many republicans are that exhibitsed in the so-called serious candidates. what it does is hold everything in place and amuse ourselves with trump's speculation comes at the detriment of whoever ultimately will be the nominee. >> mark halperin, let me bring you in. donald trump's at 19%. mitt romney running five, six years...