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What i really think it is, is stick a finger in the eye of the elites. when the journalists are looking at his -- i guess "the washington post" says 5,000 or 6,000 lies and they're like a proctor inside of a school, like a catholic school that you or i went to and they're calling you out on it, he's laughing at them because he knows that his base really doesn't care about that stuff. >> they don't care if he tell the truth? >> i don't think they care if he tells the truth. i think they care more about the substance of his policy and they care more about is he making america safer and giving me...

Since when do those people not care if somebody has integrity and tell the truth if he's the blue collar president as you say in the book? >> you don't like what i'm going to say but i'll tell you what i think. there's a toggle switch. when he goes to an event like that in houston, he turns on the toggle switch, that's the entertainment toggle switch and that's the galvanizing toggle switch. then he's like my grandfather -- >> it's galvanizing to say it's okay to beat up a journalist? to do all these things that divide us? >> he gets laughs with it, he gets cheers with it. he's in entertainmen...