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Terry mcauliffe. there's a story yesterday for jonathan martin with that headline, although the story was a little bit more positive. a source in virginia, political source in virginia texted me after that segment, saying there absolutely is an enthusiasm problem in virginia. how worried do you think democrats should be about the gubernatorial race in virginia? >> well, i think if the mcauliffe campaign is smart, they'll take her words and use it as a campaign slogan. don't be texas n. don't be texas. i think it's interesting. because this is an off year, but this is a race a lot of people are...

And go back. >> of course, the problem for joe biden this isn't just the money problem. it's an enthusiasm problem. the reason the grass roots support isn't coming to stave off this decision is because there's not that much energy for him. inf that is true, it won't be just ads that will be able to overcome that. it's a much deeper and more structural problem with the campaign. and that is what we're going to test now if the super pac does happen and we see the money start flowing. >> one quick point about that, too. i think there is enthusiasm question, the same question we had about hillary ...

Something to prove, prove on the economy, prove on the environment, prove on student debt. so they're far less eager to give their vote away maybe in different ways than the older black voting bloc is. >> can i just add to that? when you actually look at the numbers of this q poll, it's not just young black voters, it's young voters. that's the one place that you have both elizabeth warren and bernie sanders -- bernie sanders has slightly more support than elizabeth warren with young voters, but the 18 to 34, they're not sold on vice president biden. that could mean an enthusiasm problem as we...

The general feeling that judge kavanaugh was guilty before we got to see any of this. when we start destroying the presumption of innocence and due process in that country. it's an alarming place too. they broke for president president trump to 41%. they energize conservatives. what we are seen and the midterm elections. where the party in power. has that enthusiasm problem. they are really driving that up. in a powerful way. and really melting that enthusiasm gap away.

Look at the virginia governor's election, the progressives and the more moderates came together to defeat the republican candidate. so now we're in the point of the general election. what mcconnell did, which i think was quite smart, but let's call it for what it is. he knows there's an enthusiasm problem in the republican party. he knows the democrats have a lot of enthusiasm. no one is talking about the possibility of republicans could lose the senate. but it is a possibility. so he is sending out his five-alarm fire. raise money, turn out. do all that stuff. what we've seen on the democrati...