and go back. >> of course, the problem for joe biden this isn't just the money problem. it's an enthusiasm problem. the reason the grass roots support isn't coming to stave off this decision is because there's not that much energy for him. inf that is true, it won't be just ads that will be able to overcome that. it's a much deeper and more structural problem with the campaign. and that is what we're going to test now if the super pac does happen and we see the money start flowing. >> one quick point about that, too. i think there is enthusiasm question, the same question we had about hillary clinton 2016. bernie had all the enthusiasm but she got all the votes. enthusiasm doesn't necessarily translate to people who will turn out to vote for you. >> this might feed into the swampy picture. >> sure. >> of joe biden, 40 years in politics, hunter biden, all these problematic votes we'll see coming up. >> if you're elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, that's exactly what you should say. i think biden's calculus here is