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The obama administration and their team have put themselves in a position. this is a mandated program. you know, throughout the years, decades, the government, those who call themselves either democrats or liberals or progressives have believed in major government programs. this one is different. this one is mandated. and people have to assume this obligation, yet it isn't accessible. i can't go in and fix that website for them. i wish that i could. >> well, okay. let's switch some gears. i want to quickly ask you about the budget because in the wall street journal there's a report they're nea...

Here. it's a sport and it's too serious for that. i think people feel -- i say the people are going to be involved in this conference understand the stakes. and to tell you the truth, there's been so much discussion about these budget issues, the pieces are all there. we could do it in a day if people were willing to put their ideological blinders aside when they walk into the room. >> that's the hardest thing. what do you think folks at home should be prepared for? what could possibly bring two sides -- >> we know how that goes. >> what could possibly bring the two sides together, completely ...

Months to come. >> can you win december 15th when ryan and patty murray get together and do this deal? is this like a step on the ladder? >> well, i would hope so. but we'll see. you know, every time i've gotten into a discussion with the president, vice president, the democrats here in washington, and talking about entitlement changes, trying to make these programs sustainable, all they want to do is raise taxes. we can't do that unless you're willing to raise taxes. and so if they're going to hold on to their position we're always going to raise taxes, we're not going to come to an agreement...

When ryan and patty murray get together and do this deal? is this like a step on the ladder? >> well, i would hope so, but we'll see. you know, every time i've gotten into a discussion with the president, vice president, the democrats here in washington, and talking about entitlement changes, trying to make the programs sustainable, all they want to do is raise taxes. well, we can't do that unless you're willing to raise taxes. if they're going to hold on to their position that we're always going to raise taxes, we're fought going to come to an agreement, but hope springs eternal. >> why didn'...

Allows them to pass them. those are the two realistic ways out. the only certain way is default. boehner and congressman ryan might have been offering democrats a better deal than collins put on the table, getting rid of spending levels in exchange for entitlement changes and cuts, but they have house republicans that fell apart because of trust issues. the white house doesn't trust boehner to deliver the vote and reid won't accept anything they offer. frankly even if it's a mother's day resolution. that's how bad things are between boehner and reid. any deal they cut with house republicans wo...