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Months to come. >> can you win december 15th when ryan and patty murray get together and do this deal? is this like a step on the ladder? >> well, i would hope so. but we'll see. you know, every time i've gotten into a discussion with the president, vice president, the democrats here in washington, and talking about entitlement changes, trying to make these programs sustainable, all they want to do is raise taxes. we can't do that unless you're willing to raise taxes. and so if they're going to hold on to their position we're always going to raise taxes, we're not going to come to an agreement...

When ryan and patty murray get together and do this deal? is this like a step on the ladder? >> well, i would hope so, but we'll see. you know, every time i've gotten into a discussion with the president, vice president, the democrats here in washington, and talking about entitlement changes, trying to make the programs sustainable, all they want to do is raise taxes. well, we can't do that unless you're willing to raise taxes. if they're going to hold on to their position that we're always going to raise taxes, we're fought going to come to an agreement, but hope springs eternal. >> why didn'...