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He has said outrageous things. he needs to apologize to the american people. there are people all over this country who are really frightened. the other thing, chuck, is climate change. it is beyond comprehension that we have a president-elect who thinks the climate change is a hoax when the whole scientific community is telling us -- >> but i want to go back to this other point. what do you say to progressives that say, the republicans essentially united against president obama and guess what, it was good politically for the republican party. what you are describing is going to be perhaps goo...

Visit the united states, enter the united states, that's an outrage. on those issues, let me be very clear, speaking only for myself. there is no compromise. we have come too far as a country to try to move forward in a non-discriminatory way to go backwards and see us divided by racism. or zenophobia, but on the other hand, the issues like raising the minimum wage, and donald trump has talked about how he is not going to cut social security, medicaid or medicare, and he is going to work to re-establish a glass/steagall ability to rebuild the infrastructure, i accept that. those are issues som...

As a symbol on either side of this debate. but the president is saying it's become a symbol and if he would have approved this pipeline it would have been a symbol for climate policy out of line with what he's trying to do over the last year of his presidency. i think he's actually looking beyond the specifics of what the pipeline would do in either case and looking at this more as part of a legacy. >> i hope i don't quote karl, but when you bring up that point, it probably will have more of an impact. their answer? >> they don't have a great answer on this. they go back to this basic idea tha...

Saying it is a symbol and if he approach it it would be a symbol for a climate policy that is out of line of what three is trying to do. he actually is looking beyond the specifics of what the pipeline would do in either case and looking at this more as part of a legacy. >> when you bring up and i hop you do not quote karl rove but it will end up having more of an impact and carbon emmissions. their answer? >> we do not have a great 18. they go back to the basic idea that simply approaching the pipeline would have been out of step with the larger message of the president on climate. >> turning...

This debate. but the president is saying it's become a symbol and if he would have approved this pipeline it would have been a symbol for climate policy out of line with what he's trying to do over the last year of his presidency. i think he's actually looking beyond the specifics of what the pipeline would do in either case and looking at this more as part of a legacy. >> i hope i don't quote karl, but when you bring up that point, it probably will have more of an impact. their answer? >> they don't have a great answer on this. they go back to this basic idea that simply approving the pipelin...