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Year after reports that he ie attempted to dangle a pardon to the president's former attorney michael cohen.id meantime, republicans seem to be searching for the best line of attack to defend the president. >> republicans are really struggling to defend the president -- he okay, great. >> we're not struggling on anything., >> okay.ng >> republicans are not struggling on anything. a >> i trust president zelensky az and president trump and i trust the fact that the ukrainians t didn't know that aid had been held and ukrainians did nothingk to get it release when'd it was released.re >> what i ca...

Went away. >> exactly. so it feeds right into this idea that you are -- of what trump is -- what's at the heart of the ha impeachment, that trump should be impeached because they're using this power of the th presidency to do something for his personal benefit, here the campaign or even because he wants to prove that crazy ukraine conspiracy theory because he's obsessed with it, he being giuliani and trump. but the reason it's not going to work i think, even if trump does, and he may try to throw giuliani under the bus, is a do couple of things. t first of all, the phone call. right? we have t...

Essentially, say you've done nothing wrong.ll if you go back to the origins of the russia probe, it was a push to get then attorney general w jeff sessions to make some public declaration along the same lines. trump operates through this prism in which the only things u that matter are tv moments. so that's why these public testimonies are so important. they will for the first time obviously bring into people's homes witnesses who were there who could testify to what was happening and who were privy to what was a back channel policy led by rudy giuliani to upend ukraine policy.po now, i am cur...

>> correct. and if you have a president, if you may recall, who's called him an enemy. he doesn't call him a whistle-blower. they consider him a traitor. and that i think is extremely dangerous. the other part of it of course is that it's intimidation of a possible witness. if you're saying these things about them, that also makes it more difficult for them to testify honestly and come out if indeed that is the case. and third, just always remember, because you were talking about it earlier, the facts are as clear as day. we don't need the whistle-blower. we don't need -- you shoot the messeng...

Four candidates separated by just five percentage points, essentially within the margin of error. warren leads with 20%. pete buttigieg close at her heels at 19%. bernie sanders in third place at 17%. joe biden rounds out the top tier with 15%. no other candidates crack double digits, notably more than half those surveyed say they could still change their minds. before february the 3rd. jason johnson, lanhee chen. lanhee, we basically have four candidates at the top, something unusual would have to happen for somebody else to get into that top tier, what do you make of it? >> two things. one i...