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Out of the headlines, that the attention was going away from him and he got more and more depressed, is that right? >> yeah, and she said it ebbed and flowed. he would feel invincible one moment and be caught speeding, the photo that we all saw at the gun manufacturing plant. the media paid attention to him. but when that died off, samantha says that's when he would spiral into that deep depression. it was almost like he was feeding off the attention at times. >> what does that tell you. >> i think eric has hit it on the head. he was feeding on that attention. it's like somebody who is an over...

Thinks oprah has no idea about racism? a black woman born in rural mississippi during the '50s has no idea about race, but apparently he does? that's laughable, even by the right's standards. joining me now are joy reed and eric bollart. why is the right so outraged about oprah's comments about race? >> it's a rorschach test. and i think what bothers the right about what oprah said is the same thing that bothered them when barack obama talked about trayvon martin. the right expects african-americans who have been successful to essentially be christmas ornaments. to shine brightly and affirm th...

But this has become a real campaign with the right wing against oprah, eric. and they are like just jumping all over her. the fox strategy that you talk about? >> what did she do wrong? she talked about race. that's the starting point for all these people. you don't talk about t even when she couched it saying things have gotten better. the fact that she brings up any criticism whatsoever. she was saying barack obama has been disrespected the way no other president has. and that, that's the fox strategy right there. >> let me show you what she said. oprah was asked if it's crossed her mind if ...