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This mean that thomas is the choice of the trump administration to be the new head of i.c.e.? >> from what i understand, he is the choice as announced by the new d hrhs secretary tonight. he's the choice to lead i.c.e. his expertise is law enforcement. he's a cop's cop doing a cop's job. he's used immigration enforcement as related to law enforcement and not of paperwork or refugee or a complicated issue. he's a guy who finds people who shouldn't be here and gets rid of them. and i think it reflects what the trump administration has said that they were planning to do, which was really to reemp...

To help us understand this. i. >> thank you for having me. . >> it's a little confusing at this point. can you tell us who daniel ragsdale is and what just happened to him. >> certainly, daniel is the now former acting director of i.c.e. he was the acting director for exactly ten days. from the 20th to now, from trump's inauguration. as a civil servant, he was simply deemoted and replaced with a man named thomas whoman, who was the chief enforcement officer at i.c.e. >> sorry to interrupt you. was this -- does this mean that thomas is now going to serve in that job for ten days and they have s...

Illegal. the only reason he was caught is because he was committing crimes. finally he's caught because he just killed a young woman in san francisco. that's not overhyping. that's a reality. under this president's administration, and he's claiming he's prioritizing criminals, this person was able to be released to a sanctuary city -- >> that's where i want to pause. congressman castro, should we have them? i understand the motivation of some cities and why they did it. it was sort of prosecutorial discretion. it was sort of what do you prioritize? but has it gotten out of hand. has it made it...

Be turned over to i.c.e, immigration enforcement of the federal government, and when should people who are not turned over -- >> you're right about that. but i think the focus on the relationship between the local and federal government is the wrong one. >> is it broken, though? >> oh, absolutely. the whole system is broken. but the focus should be on the question of, who are you going to allow to stay here and obtain legal stat us and who are you going to deport? >> i want to get to this undocumented issue but i also want to get to border security. do me a favor, define amnesty. >> i think am...

Office. famous richie and dennis lieberman were put in the weird position of having to defend themselves against the charge that they used their power to avote to allow people more time to vote. >> you do as a board member take an oath to follow the laws of the state of ohio. >> the united states constitution and the ohio constitution. >> and part of that is to follow the directives issued by the secretary of state, correct? >> correct, which i believe i did. and still to this day believe i followed that directive. >> that directive which did not have instructions about weekends. thanks to the...