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These players, of course, they're risking in some cases like colin kaepernick, he doesn't play for an nfl team anymore. he's lost his ability to make a living as an athlete because of his stance on this issue, but they are courageous. they have a right to be heard, to protest, to disagree. and they ought to be heard. >> erin d., is there a sense in your mind that the president went too far this time? i'm just going to speak based on the conversations i've had throughout this day. they have been very passionate. and at least from the anchor desk, it feels like this is different. >> this has ign...

A knee over a flag that many of our generation preceding us have died to protect the freedoms there, they somehow get honored as martyrs by the media. the president is pointing out that shouldn't be accepted. they have a first amendment right to do that, but nfl owners also have a right to fire the players. the president is not looking at through through a racial lens. there's plenty of african-american athletes on all of the championships that the president welcomed to the white house. they're the ones who chose to make a political issue out of this. >> joining me now is joe watkins, a republ...

There's a question over whether players are right to be taking a knee, and then there's a question over whether the president was right to weigh in with the terms he did. for a president who has historically low approval ratings, who has been seen as divisive since he took office in january, people are asking the question now, why is he wading into this issue and further dividing people? >> and erin, how does the president's base perceive all this? because i'm going to guess that there are a lot of football fans among his base as well. >> look, i think donald trump's most fervent supporters su...

But, you know, this is unfortunate because it's the national ant anthem and they neo respect the military. look, at every professional sports game, you do see a tribute paid to service members. this is not about disrespecting the country or disrespecting members of the military. and in fact, earlier in this hour, morgan radford interviewed a man who said just this. this is not about that at all. this is about people who don't have a voice and the nfl standing up for those people. i think that is a really important distinction and it is not intellectually honest for people like mark short to ju...